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	<title>Comments on: No one likes a sober rocker: Why AA will kill your career faster than dying</title>
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		<title>By: jaydiddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaydiddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been sober over 5 years, and I think this is hilarious.  And actually, there are cases from the writing world, such as French novelist Georges Simenon, who penned dozens of great detective novels when drunk... sobered up... and never wrote again!  Of course, I support people not killing themselves with drink, but some heavy drinking in youth is pretty standard for great artists.  It&#039;s just true.  Everyone from Hemingway to Cobain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been sober over 5 years, and I think this is hilarious.  And actually, there are cases from the writing world, such as French novelist Georges Simenon, who penned dozens of great detective novels when drunk&#8230; sobered up&#8230; and never wrote again!  Of course, I support people not killing themselves with drink, but some heavy drinking in youth is pretty standard for great artists.  It&#8217;s just true.  Everyone from Hemingway to Cobain.</p>
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		<title>By: bill w</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this article is so uneducated, joe walsh(of the eagles) sober, alcohol and drugs is but a symptom of our disease do some more research</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this article is so uneducated, joe walsh(of the eagles) sober, alcohol and drugs is but a symptom of our disease do some more research</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember when I used to wax poetic with my own half-baked hypothesis like this...  Usually trying them out on one of my equally inebriated friends who would usually respond with &quot;dude, that&#039;s so true!&quot;. 


 Try to justify your own alcoholism much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when I used to wax poetic with my own half-baked hypothesis like this&#8230;  Usually trying them out on one of my equally inebriated friends who would usually respond with &#8220;dude, that&#8217;s so true!&#8221;. </p>
<p> Try to justify your own alcoholism much?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Wheatley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Wheatley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the same theory apply to writers? If so, I&#039;m screwed.

This is a great topic that I&#039;m glad you brought up, although David Lee&#039;s right -- we could be here all day nitpicking about examples. Which I&#039;ll do in a second. 

I often think about this and have had some debates with artists who are now sober. Some say that it&#039;s true, others say that it varies from case to case, and others say that any art that needs to be enhanced by substances wasn&#039;t art to begin with. It&#039;s an obstacle on the path to grace, they say.

I think there&#039;s a lot to be said for just how bad the substance abuse was before the artist sobered up. Had it devolved into self-sabotage? What did they fill that hole with once they put the plug in the jug, hash in the trash, etc. If they&#039;re white-knuckling, of course their work is going to be terrible -- it&#039;s because they&#039;re miserable. 

Eric Clapton&#039;s been sober for a long time. He even began a recovery facility in the Caribbean. His recent work, in my  opinion, is nowhere near as powerful as his stuff from the past, but I chalk a lot of that up to his establishment as a successful musician who doesn&#039;t have to release a groundbreaking album every go-round. Do a duet with Babyface and people will still come see you at Chastain. Maybe there&#039;s a little bit of boredom in there for him. But I doubt his music has lost some oomph because he&#039;s sober. 

Maybe we&#039;re looking for a little bit of that recklessness we can watch from afar. And when artists stop being reckless we&#039;re disappointed. Because if anything bad happens to them, hell, better them than us. &quot;Exile on Main Stret&quot; comes to mind. That&#039;s a powerful, desperate album, and was recorded in a substance-filled haze. But how much of an artist is their image and how much of an artist is their work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the same theory apply to writers? If so, I&#8217;m screwed.</p>
<p>This is a great topic that I&#8217;m glad you brought up, although David Lee&#8217;s right &#8212; we could be here all day nitpicking about examples. Which I&#8217;ll do in a second. </p>
<p>I often think about this and have had some debates with artists who are now sober. Some say that it&#8217;s true, others say that it varies from case to case, and others say that any art that needs to be enhanced by substances wasn&#8217;t art to begin with. It&#8217;s an obstacle on the path to grace, they say.</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a lot to be said for just how bad the substance abuse was before the artist sobered up. Had it devolved into self-sabotage? What did they fill that hole with once they put the plug in the jug, hash in the trash, etc. If they&#8217;re white-knuckling, of course their work is going to be terrible &#8212; it&#8217;s because they&#8217;re miserable. </p>
<p>Eric Clapton&#8217;s been sober for a long time. He even began a recovery facility in the Caribbean. His recent work, in my  opinion, is nowhere near as powerful as his stuff from the past, but I chalk a lot of that up to his establishment as a successful musician who doesn&#8217;t have to release a groundbreaking album every go-round. Do a duet with Babyface and people will still come see you at Chastain. Maybe there&#8217;s a little bit of boredom in there for him. But I doubt his music has lost some oomph because he&#8217;s sober. </p>
<p>Maybe we&#8217;re looking for a little bit of that recklessness we can watch from afar. And when artists stop being reckless we&#8217;re disappointed. Because if anything bad happens to them, hell, better them than us. &#8220;Exile on Main Stret&#8221; comes to mind. That&#8217;s a powerful, desperate album, and was recorded in a substance-filled haze. But how much of an artist is their image and how much of an artist is their work?</p>
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		<title>By: David Lee Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Lee Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might have been a lot funnier if you&#039;d included comedians (Chevy Chase, anyone?). But this sounds like a pretty facile argument. There are too many examples to rebut this theory to mention -- we could be here all day -- but it seems like David Byrne does pretty damn well without cocaine.
I suppose there&#039;s something to be said for substance abuse in particular (and just living life recklessly in general) &quot;fueling&quot; someone&#039;s creative output, but it&#039;s just overly simplistic. Your theory doesn&#039;t seem to have a heck of a lot of actual research to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might have been a lot funnier if you&#8217;d included comedians (Chevy Chase, anyone?). But this sounds like a pretty facile argument. There are too many examples to rebut this theory to mention &#8212; we could be here all day &#8212; but it seems like David Byrne does pretty damn well without cocaine.<br />
I suppose there&#8217;s something to be said for substance abuse in particular (and just living life recklessly in general) &#8220;fueling&#8221; someone&#8217;s creative output, but it&#8217;s just overly simplistic. Your theory doesn&#8217;t seem to have a heck of a lot of actual research to it.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Waits has been sober for about 30 years now. Based on the amazing music he has made in that time frame I&#039;d say that blows your theory to hell. And given the fact that CL is doing a cover story this week on the untimely and very likely drug-related death of a local musician, I think this piece is ill-timed and pretty offensive. And finally, Jeff is right, the examples you gave suck, drunk or sober.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Waits has been sober for about 30 years now. Based on the amazing music he has made in that time frame I&#8217;d say that blows your theory to hell. And given the fact that CL is doing a cover story this week on the untimely and very likely drug-related death of a local musician, I think this piece is ill-timed and pretty offensive. And finally, Jeff is right, the examples you gave suck, drunk or sober.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dull examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dull examples.</p>
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