Brontez responds to Black Lips post
October 3rd, 2008 by Chad Radford in Music newsLast night Brontez from the Bay Area band Gravy Train responded via Myspace to my earlier post about his “She’s Over It” column in Maximum Rock and Roll calling Jared Swilley of the Black Lips a racist. I don’t think he liked it. Be warned, it is long and full of objectionable language.
Subject: you gotta lot of nerve fat man……
Body:
its lucky for you that i can’t post this on your website so i guess ill just have to settle for you.
FUCK YOU. First of all the reason i didn’t initially respond to you email for a comment Mr. Radford is that i figured that you were friends with Jared and would defend his fucked up behavior AND I WAS RIGHT. My MAIN problem with this article is that it presents us as ALL hanging out telling racist jokes TOGETHER and THEN Funx got all hurt AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE. If you had read my article you would know that the reason we are upset is because Funx was the ONLY ONE UP when 5 white boys SHE DIDN’T KNOW (Jared included)verbally attacked her and said some serious racist shit. Even if i were to entertain the whole “they were just joking” explanation (which i fucking won’t) what gives five white boys the authority to “joke” like this with a Latina women they don’t know? thats scary and fucked up. I don’t give a fuck how many black people Jared is friends with or that he grew up in black churches (i grew up in black churches too bitch-so what?)It obviously didn’t teach him shit if he thinks it’s cool to behave like this. I didn’t even print to worst of what he said (i.e. shit like how he thinks the south should have won the Civil War-wow Jared did you learn that in black churches too?). Shame on you Mr Radford, what do you have invested in defending this fucked upness? You paint us in this article as humorless PC whiners-AS FUCKING IF. We aren’t humorless- we just don’t laugh at shit that ain’t funny. Five white boys (two who were there from the start of the night-Jared and some fat boy-and three that came out of nowhere) corner this lone girl, read her to filth, and you Radford think that this is perfectly fine and even go so far as to co-sign on this behavior in this article. The thing about racists is most are never going to admit to it. Duh. I grew up in Alabama and have seen it ALL honey. i even knew racists that had mixed race kids. These days it all plays out as some weird shadow game. If Jared had any character he would grab some balls and admit he did something fucked up and do the descent thing and at least apologize. Instead he opts to paint us as whiny PC’ers (you ever notice how people want to paint you as “sensitive” or “PC” when they want to be able to say/do fucked up shit to you?) who aren’t in on the “inside joke”. You don’t fool me NONE Jared. Just because you know some black people doesn’t mean you get to say fucked up shit about Mexicans ( black people don’t need an “ally” like you on our team). Funx is NOT some humorless girl and she clearly states everything she heard in that room as OVERTLY RACIST and NOT in a “jokeing” tone at all. You can hide behind your post-racist white liberal bullshit in the guise of “provocative humor” all you want but i got your card.This faggot ain’t havin it. In fact SHE’S OVER IT. I hate this whole “joking on the square” angle that saturates hipster circles where they say they’re joking but really theres some part underneath thats getting off on the fact that they’re saying fucked up shit to someone. sooooo slimy. Why don’t you admit to all your fans your view on things such as the Civil War/Palestine/Mexicans and MAKE SURE not to hold back (you SURE AS FUCK had alot of opinions on it that night.)Not that the soul-less hipster trash that saturates the scene would care or even remember for a month but it would be alot more honest than the shit your pulling now. as far as contacting you about Vice Records BULLSHIT. That was for the Younger Lovers NOT Gravy Train and thats before i knew about the level of dick you were and BESIDES i wouldn’t be apart of any team that would have you as a member. You think my article was childish? FUCK YOU. I think your behavior was childish and BRUTAL. YOU LEFT ME NO CHOICE BUT TO CLOWN YOU, LITTLE GIRL. You think my article was “15 years ago”? I think your world view is from last century. You wanna call my crew “sensitive”? We’ll i’ve made some conclusions about your crew myself: y’all are a bunch of fucked up white boys sittin down South defending each others fucked up behavior. Not that what your pulling doesn’t go down on the West Coast and EVERYWHERE but theres just something about it that stings even more to me. maybe cause i grew up in it. in the end its a hard job being completely right but its all i have to hold on to. feel free to email me, im not done bitching at you [Ed. note: email removed].
GET BENT,
Brontez
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October 3rd, 2008 at 1:45 pm
This is a perfect example of how the internet is destroying our youth. That letter was nearly impossible to read. Listen up, kids. Whether your preferred medium is electronic or print, spelling and grammar matter if you want people to think you’re credible. Now I have to go find my aspirin.
October 3rd, 2008 at 3:21 pm
This guy is a major douche bag! Good luck getting a show here anytime soon! Fag!
October 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
If this guy didn’t respond to Chad Radford’s e-mail why would Chad do anything BUT defend Jared? Idiot.
At least Cole’s not wearing his swastika shirt anymore.
October 3rd, 2008 at 7:26 pm
it’s funny that no one cares about what actually happened to the girl in that band.
everyone’s all like “FAGGOT BAD GRAMMAR DOUCHEBAG”
it’s so comforting to know that people out there will be quicker to defend someone “cool” than bat an eyelash when a latina woman is cornered/threatened by a bunch of rednecks!!
but i’m a latina woman, what do i know?
October 3rd, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Ladies Ladies Ladies, calm down.
Look, this new wave of Atlanta music is all myspace/blogworld generated. Saavy hipsters made this scene, we all know the bands suck. The Lips can rock, but for the most part they suck, Deerhunter is the worst excuse for a band on the planet, but Brad “Look at me” Cox gets them the press they need to pass. Those are the only 2 that get press. I would love to see DH play unplugged btw. Chopper kicks ass, at least we have one good band here.But for the most part, this scene is trendy myspace kids and their clique. So what do you expect? Youre eating shrooms in Atlanta with rednecks, what do you expect Brontez? You want nobility, go to the University.
October 3rd, 2008 at 9:21 pm
It’s interesting watching the Black Lips’ members words and actions come back to haunt them. For years they’ve been doing and saying outrageous things, and of course most of the press is happy to look the other way so they can report on (and be in on) the next big underground thing.
There’s Cole’s swastika shirt. And also his shirt “American By Birth - Southern By The Grace Of God.” Jared wore a shirt this year in Athens, Greece with a confederate flag on it and the words “The South Will Rise Again”. The folks in Gravy Train will also be delighted to know that in a 2005 tour movie, Cole said, “San Francisco is full of fucking faggots,” after they yelled at a man in a wheelchair. All real funny stuff *wink wink*
These guys are bullshit artists and not very good ones at that. They lay on the charm to get their way, and it helps that most journalists and fans are clueless.
Jared can be a Grade-A asshole. He talks so much shit about people, especially when they’re not around. For example, in interviews with American press he goes on about how much he hates England, but when he’s over there he pours on the love to the British press. Is he the only musician to ever have done this? No. But would NME be all over these guys if the idiots on their staff did a little research? Who knows? NME sucks anyways.
The only thing more pathetic than Jared’s words and actions is having his dad try to defend him. His dad seems to be satisfied with looking the other way or not investigating to see that most of what is written about his son and the band are true. His dad seems to want to blame it all on Cole. Not my son. No way.
What these guys have done and said is not unique. It’s mostly ignorance, and it’s too bad they chose to get older (I won’t say grow up or mature) in public. They wanted to be rock stars and were more than happy to document all their poor choices. Now it comes back to bite them on the ass and they hope it goes away. If they were really “Born To Be A Man” then they’d own up to what they said and did and either reject it and apologize or say that’s how they do things and let everyone know they stand behind their words and actions. Instead they want to have it both ways, and so far they’ve succeeded.
October 3rd, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Damn Jay,
well written!
I agree with most of it too. But leave the kids Dad alone!
Hopefully I can team up with some cats and destroy this pitiful webmusic scene around here.
Did I mention Deerhunter f’in sucks too?
Frank E. Avalon
October 4th, 2008 at 2:44 am
Maybe I shouldn’t have been so harsh on Bishop Swilley, and for that I apologize. I know he loves his son and Jared loves him, but my beef with him is that he still thinks most, if not all, of the stories about the bands’ antics are “urban legend.” You don’t have to be Albert Einstein or Sherlock Holmes to know that almost everything written about the band is true. Heck, the band members admit most of it, and youtube and flickr provide evidence for most everything else.
I can understand not wanting to know or not wanting to admit to every awful or embarassing thing your son has ever done. But he uses ignorance as a defense for his son when others question the bands’ behavior. I would hope that truth would be just as important as compassion to Bishop Swilley.
October 4th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Congratulations Jay!!!!! You have single-handedly ruined all the fun for everyone with your shocking wit and and your vast intellect. Give yourself an award, asshole.
October 4th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
what a dick. all of you.
Granted I dont know Jared very well, Jared has always been nothing but kind to me. He knows Im from Peru, and we always discuss Lima, in fact, I’ve had conversations with Jared about African history and culture. You guys are just haters. and I figure, if any one of you easily offended types are crying and whining into your panties, then you deserve it. Babies.
Viva los Labios Negros
Big Joe
October 5th, 2008 at 1:28 am
Dear Big “I Don’t Know Jared Very Well” Joe,
What do you think of the fact that Jared and co. said hateful shit about mexicans and jews to a latina /jewish woman who was a virtual stranger when she was alone and there were a bunch of them?
Just wondering why you’re overlooking that part.
It must be becuz bLaCk LiPs RoOL!!!
haha. “i’ve had conversations about him about black people though!!!!”
October 5th, 2008 at 1:30 am
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October 5th, 2008 at 11:59 am
http://www.myspace.com/bigjoepage
Hi Justa Hater, I really like your catchy name!
Overlooking, no. I was simply regarding the situation, and you know what, its not my business.
Quit using this page to shit talk about the Lips (I know I know, your band is shitty and cant get any press.)
If anyone would like to stage a wrestling match of haters vs. lovers, Im all about it.
I love you Justa Hater, youre so smart and reasonable!
Big Joe number one black lips fan.
October 5th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Haha! Big Joe Page! Do you and Jared fool around or something?
You’ll defend this dude (again, who you admit you barely know!) to the death but that one little detail is conveniently “not your business”. Okay, then. Assume it were true .(I know, that’s IMPOSSIBLE!!! I mean, Saint Jared IS basically BLACK. He’s also Mexican. He’s EVERY RACE, really. but)..How would you feel? Like, if he really did that?
I wish I were in a band. Maybe Jared would help me out for a bunch of years too–because my dealer is black.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
hey Justa!
I like you and all but,
you make me nervous, nervous, nervous. nervous.
hella hella hella
nervous nervous nervous. nervous.
long in the pants,
big joe
October 7th, 2008 at 2:45 am
Looks like Brontez laid it out pretty clearly. He obviously didn’t need a second draft to cut through all your typical bullshit. Amen.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
que?? i like the black lips and I’m african american, they seemed nice though i am not desputing these claims. when did this happen??? i’ve seen them before and they seemed pretty nice… :O I’m confused
October 10th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
dang yall! buck the fuck up. okay, some shitty dudes from georgia said some racsist shit. not the first time, def not the last. brontez, in true she’s over it fashion talked pounds of shit but really what he was doing was calling yall out. duh. you made someone feel fucking shitty and uncomfortable! top it all off, it was a bunch of white men and a woman of color. thats sketchy! it doesnt matter what yer fuckin background is, who you went to church with, anything like that. just fucking apologize. quit perpetuating hateful, misogynistic bullshit, if you even care, which id never expect some douchy southern hipster to do, but hell, prove us wrong.
-tino orig from augusta, has had it up to here with this bullshit.
October 10th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Tino, Cool it with the “white” talk. No one has any say in what color they are and all of these white/black comments that people are leaving here are racist as fuck… just the opposite side of the coin. The truth of the matter is these people were all on mushrooms and making a mountain out of a mole hill. You CANNOT start a story by saying you were on cocaine and mushrooms and then go into some “Mississippi Burning” bullshit and expect to be taken seriously.
October 11th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
um, actually it is a big deal, and it should be taken seriously. and i wont cool it. it makes me wanna puke when fucking apolitical hipsters cross the line into overt racism, and then their douchebag friends get behind them with all their pathetic excuses. seriously, i dont think its asking for much for these people to admit they fucked up and apologize to this woman that they totally freaked out. really.
October 11th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
wait, am I missing something? this is the Black Lips we’re talking about, right? the same band who, being all white, have a record in the queue at in the red called “last of the white n*****”? web trend retards, but they have a hell of a lot more $$$ than me, you (deerhunter included). so they win, ha ha, you lose, they win, nobody beyond some stupid atlanta free weekly print newspaper blog care. end. ha, black lips win, get it??
October 13th, 2008 at 2:33 am
the black nipples are some hot mess ke ke’s making my gag reflex’s day. they need to admit they love the dick just as much as i do cause i know i’ve seen those malnourished white locas cruising the waffle house toilets on I-85. i never EVER forget a butthole ok? IT TAKES A FAGGOT TO CALL A FAGGOT! white str8 ppl are craaazy. yay brontez read them out girl!!
October 14th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Jose and Tino,
You’re right, it’s nothing to be taken lightly, but you can’t take a stand against racism whilst employing racist lingo, like “white str8 ppl are craaazy” That’s just idiotic. Could you imagine the shit storm that would come down on some white guy for saying “gay blk ppl are craaaazy?”
The issue here is sensitivity to people’s differences right? Maybe Jared everyone in that conversation should apologize to that girl. Maybe Brontez should apologize to Chad for calling him a “fat man.” How uncool and insensitive was that?
October 14th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Oh I’m so sorry racism is bad please don’t do it anymore, okay guys? Most white people are kind and loving and it was very wrong of me to make the generalization most of white str8 male america was just as bad as the youth crushing hate unit black lips!! Is that better sir? If my hands are clean can I touch your hair? WHATEVA HONEY! YOU MUST BE ASLEEP OR DERANGED! WAKE UP THIS IS THE AMERICA I LIVE IN EVERY DAY! IM TIRED OF IT!
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:24 am
ha ha “not richard”: to think that white straight dudes are even CAPABLE of being oppressed!!! where do you live??