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Ken, aren’t you ashamed of your actions? haha

This will be a real shocker for many of CL’s GLBT readers, but especially to the gay people who contribute to CL.

I can imagine no better example of militant activisim.

I was asking how we make a world in which Zak is free from simply hearing another persons opinion. I did not assign any value or qualitative judgement to those opinions. You did assign my values where none were present and accuse me of being without ethics (which is not possible, all people have ethical positions good and bad), however, and i wonder what that reveals?

I created no equivalency, I merely questioned the intellectual conflict present in Zak’s position of not tolerating others while demanding, not only acceptance but advocacy, of his position. Hand in hand with that is his militant (all or nothing) perspective regarding CL’s advocacy.

I just scrolled up to read my previous post to find the source of your comments. I must assume you were suffering from head trauma or under the influence of some kind of chemical.

My best wishes to you for a speedy recovery.

So called ex-gay ministries have mislead too many young gay men to believe that their sexual orientation can be changed. These unfortunate young gay men might find temporary relief from a delusion that they have changed. They may no longer call themselves gay, but they continue to be physically attracted to other men. Anyone can suppress feelings and live a lie but it doesn’t work in the long run.

There is nothing wrong with being gay. There is something vile and unnatural about telling young gay men need to be something other than who they are.

Jeff, if Dale created a false equivalent you have just compounded the problem with another.

I did not nor have I ever advocated for the firing or housing denial of any gay person. That has nothing to do with theology at all. Its just plain citizenship rights.
To say that I should not be given an opportunity by CL to express my views is intrinsically hypocritical when the paradigm you set up is false and innapplicable.

If I have never advocated what you claim is the status quo in Georgia (and you provided no real updated statistical evidence) then CL is justified in allowing me to have a voice without compromising their current support of gay rights.

“I am free to not have to participate in his “religion” and i should be free from his out there message of hate and “being gay is bad”.

Zak, how do you propose, other than outright censorship, making certain that you are “free from his message”. The Constitution guarantees your right to speech, not your right to not be offended by others speech.

“it was not on the opinion page of your paper.”

Zak, CL does not have an “opinion” section, it IS an opinon section. Grow up.

Basically, CL’s deep and committed support of the GLBT community is negated (and you suggest) a boycott by printing this piece about the preacher? If your standard for an ally is that high, you wil rapidly lose allies.

You don’t deserve tolerance and acceptance from others if you are unwilling to tolerate and accept.

Ken Edelstein”

Ken, after reading the BMF posts in recent weeks, you really cracked me up with that one hahahahahaha

That is the most fantastic thing I have ever read on Fresh Loaf. Thank you Oscar.