Comments on: State offers fuel-efficiency tips, we offer some more http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/ Atlanta news and views, one slice at a time Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:21:47 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Roxie http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/comment-page-1/#comment-78584 Roxie Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:22:08 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/#comment-78584 Thanks, Thomas! Thanks, Thomas!

]]> By: DaleC http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/comment-page-1/#comment-78477 DaleC Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:56:55 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/#comment-78477 I think plug in electrics are great.... if we have expanded electrical supply and infrastructure to feed them. I think plug in electrics are great…. if we have expanded electrical supply and infrastructure to feed them.

]]> By: Thomas Wheatley http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/comment-page-1/#comment-78469 Thomas Wheatley Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:39:13 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/#comment-78469 Roxie, The best group to check out is Citizens for Progressive Transit, the organization that helped create the A-TRAIN trip planner. Here's their website: www.cfpt.org Roxie,

The best group to check out is Citizens for Progressive Transit, the organization that helped create the A-TRAIN trip planner. Here’s their website:

http://www.cfpt.org

]]> By: Roxie http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/comment-page-1/#comment-78467 Roxie Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:24:28 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/#comment-78467 Are there any MARTA or public transport activist groups? Are there any MARTA or public transport activist groups?

]]> By: Thomas Wheatley http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/comment-page-1/#comment-78458 Thomas Wheatley Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:42:00 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/#comment-78458 Yep, we're talking hybrids, Dale, but I'm just throwing you out different ideas. Feast upon the knowledge, my good man! Yep, we’re talking hybrids, Dale, but I’m just throwing you out different ideas. Feast upon the knowledge, my good man!

]]> By: DaleC http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/comment-page-1/#comment-78445 DaleC Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:54:51 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/#comment-78445 Electric cars interest me, but we are discussing hybrids, right? What happens if say half the cars in America are electric and the corresponding rise in electricity demand, pollution from electrical plants,rising cost of electricity due to increased demand for finite resources, etc. Consider the increase in junked hybrids as they penetrate the market further. A 150,000 mile life span is a joke these days. Short life span = larger carbon footprint due to the resources needed to build more new cars at an increased tempo of replacement. I am all for new-tech in cars and I consider the Prius a pioneer and a stepping stone to a true replacement technology. I did get a kick out of one website estimating that hydrogen powered vehicles are at least 10 years out. I guess thye haven't seen the city busses and the BMW 750 with hydrogen cells. Electric cars interest me, but we are discussing hybrids, right?

What happens if say half the cars in America are electric and the corresponding rise in electricity demand, pollution from electrical plants,rising cost of electricity due to increased demand for finite resources, etc.

Consider the increase in junked hybrids as they penetrate the market further.

A 150,000 mile life span is a joke these days. Short life span = larger carbon footprint due to the resources needed to build more new cars at an increased tempo of replacement.

I am all for new-tech in cars and I consider the Prius a pioneer and a stepping stone to a true replacement technology. I did get a kick out of one website estimating that hydrogen powered vehicles are at least 10 years out. I guess thye haven’t seen the city busses and the BMW 750 with hydrogen cells.

]]> By: Thomas Wheatley http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/comment-page-1/#comment-78441 Thomas Wheatley Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:34:38 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/#comment-78441 Dale, This might interest you: http://www.slate.com/id/2179609/ Dale, This might interest you:

http://www.slate.com/id/2179609/

]]> By: DaleC http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/comment-page-1/#comment-78437 DaleC Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:19:52 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/#comment-78437 Same thing happened in the 70's with all the major oil companies. They started buying the stations back in the 80's because the independent couldn't afford to replace their underground tanks with the new construction. How much will it cost to replace the hybrid's batteries at about 150,000 miles? They are only designed for 100 - 200k miles. How much gas could you buy for that amount of money? How about all that environmentally damaging mining that is rewuired to build the batteries? Do the math, a Corolla or Civic is better for the environment and for your pocketbook. Same thing happened in the 70’s with all the major oil companies. They started buying the stations back in the 80’s because the independent couldn’t afford to replace their underground tanks with the new construction.

How much will it cost to replace the hybrid’s batteries at about 150,000 miles? They are only designed for 100 – 200k miles. How much gas could you buy for that amount of money? How about all that environmentally damaging mining that is rewuired to build the batteries?

Do the math, a Corolla or Civic is better for the environment and for your pocketbook.

]]> By: Thomas Wheatley http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/comment-page-1/#comment-78400 Thomas Wheatley Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:45:09 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/#comment-78400 You are correct, sir. http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2008/06/16/daily1.html You are correct, sir.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2008/06/16/daily1.html

]]> By: Joeventures http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/comment-page-1/#comment-78396 Joeventures Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:35:47 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/06/16/state-offers-fuel-efficiency-tips-we-offer-some-more/#comment-78396 Speaking of Exxon, I hear they're going to sell off (or shutter) their entire retail business in the US. Speaking of Exxon, I hear they’re going to sell off (or shutter) their entire retail business in the US.

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