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		<title>By: Dale C</title>
		<link>http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/10/03/my-take-on-biden-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-99785</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give me a break with the &quot;code&quot; words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me a break with the &#8220;code&#8221; words.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Hooper&#039;s &quot;honkeyface&quot; assessment. We all know that &quot;Joe Six Pack&quot; and &quot;Hockey Mom&quot; aren&#039;t meant to be people of color. Palin is not just winking at the &quot;just-plain-folks&quot; club; she&#039;s speaking to her just-plain-white-folks club. She is speaking to a certain club -- and very intentionally so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Hooper&#8217;s &#8220;honkeyface&#8221; assessment. We all know that &#8220;Joe Six Pack&#8221; and &#8220;Hockey Mom&#8221; aren&#8217;t meant to be people of color. Palin is not just winking at the &#8220;just-plain-folks&#8221; club; she&#8217;s speaking to her just-plain-white-folks club. She is speaking to a certain club &#8212; and very intentionally so.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale C</title>
		<link>http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/10/03/my-take-on-biden-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-99771</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All Palin did was lie and dodge...&quot;

I&#039;m still wondering about that Franco-US Joint Task Force that Sen Biden says kicked Hezbollah out of Syria. WTF???

His hometown restaurant, Katy&#039;s, where he invited everyone to sit down for a meal, closed in the 1980&#039;s.

Palin doesn&#039;t know much about foreign policy and Biden makes it up in fantasyland. 

I call it a draw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All Palin did was lie and dodge&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still wondering about that Franco-US Joint Task Force that Sen Biden says kicked Hezbollah out of Syria. WTF???</p>
<p>His hometown restaurant, Katy&#8217;s, where he invited everyone to sit down for a meal, closed in the 1980&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Palin doesn&#8217;t know much about foreign policy and Biden makes it up in fantasyland. </p>
<p>I call it a draw.</p>
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		<title>By: Hooper</title>
		<link>http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2008/10/03/my-take-on-biden-palin/comment-page-1/#comment-99769</link>
		<dc:creator>Hooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin&#039;s folksy affectations would be offensive if they were anything other than small-town platitudes.  Can you even imagine Obama up there GIVIN&#039; IT UP FOR MY DOGGS YEAH BOYEEEEEE or Bill Richardson REPRESENTING MI AMIGOS EN LA RAZA ARRIBA or John McCain all WHEN IS MATLOCK COMING ON?  I WANT TO SEE MAAAATLOCCCCKKKKKK!!!  

It&#039;s a load of hogwash.  It&#039;s Larry the Cable Guy.  It&#039;s the midwest equivalent of blackface.  Honkyface.  Fargoface.

Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin&#8217;s folksy affectations would be offensive if they were anything other than small-town platitudes.  Can you even imagine Obama up there GIVIN&#8217; IT UP FOR MY DOGGS YEAH BOYEEEEEE or Bill Richardson REPRESENTING MI AMIGOS EN LA RAZA ARRIBA or John McCain all WHEN IS MATLOCK COMING ON?  I WANT TO SEE MAAAATLOCCCCKKKKKK!!!  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a load of hogwash.  It&#8217;s Larry the Cable Guy.  It&#8217;s the midwest equivalent of blackface.  Honkyface.  Fargoface.</p>
<p>Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like Gov. Palin, who whines over a &quot;gotcha&quot; media, has discovered that national politics is exactly like field dressing a caribou ... pretty damned bloody business.

But unlike harvesting a caribou, in politics there isn&#039;t always meat left after the skinning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like Gov. Palin, who whines over a &#8220;gotcha&#8221; media, has discovered that national politics is exactly like field dressing a caribou &#8230; pretty damned bloody business.</p>
<p>But unlike harvesting a caribou, in politics there isn&#8217;t always meat left after the skinning.</p>
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		<title>By: cliff bostock</title>
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		<dc:creator>cliff bostock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto to Ellen&#039;s first graf.I was amazed after the debate to hear the talking heads praise her, predicting she&#039;d be a strong candidate in 2012. Most of them complimented her for giving a voice to the commoners.

Of course, all she did well was lie and dodge questions while winking at us, as if we&#039;re all members of her just-plain-folks club, weary of the Joe Bidens who have ruined DC for the Joe Sixpacks. Hello? The Republicans have been in power for eight years.

But none of this, including the pundits&#039; usual complicity with the Republicans, seems to have worked.  The voting public itself has called Biden the winner by significant majorities that are  reflected in Obama&#039;s increasing leads.

This is a pleasant surprise. I suspect it&#039;s a result of the economic crisis -- the usual fear that motivates voters has been redirected to the GOP. But maybe not. Maybe the population is waking up and really does see what the pundits, isolated in the beltway, can&#039;t see, even as they continue to claim to speak for the same Joe Sixpacks Palin claims to represent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto to Ellen&#8217;s first graf.I was amazed after the debate to hear the talking heads praise her, predicting she&#8217;d be a strong candidate in 2012. Most of them complimented her for giving a voice to the commoners.</p>
<p>Of course, all she did well was lie and dodge questions while winking at us, as if we&#8217;re all members of her just-plain-folks club, weary of the Joe Bidens who have ruined DC for the Joe Sixpacks. Hello? The Republicans have been in power for eight years.</p>
<p>But none of this, including the pundits&#8217; usual complicity with the Republicans, seems to have worked.  The voting public itself has called Biden the winner by significant majorities that are  reflected in Obama&#8217;s increasing leads.</p>
<p>This is a pleasant surprise. I suspect it&#8217;s a result of the economic crisis &#8212; the usual fear that motivates voters has been redirected to the GOP. But maybe not. Maybe the population is waking up and really does see what the pundits, isolated in the beltway, can&#8217;t see, even as they continue to claim to speak for the same Joe Sixpacks Palin claims to represent.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It amazes me how many people felt Palin did “well” in the debate. That view must be the result of a serious lowering of expectations, not so much by her bio, but by years under the influence of dumbed-down media and politics. We expect too damn little any more.

Some of the things that grated on me during her performance were:

Dodging questions: I estimate Palin disregarded or refused to respond to about one third of the questions asked of her. Since when is saying “Let’s change the subject” considered a good debate skill?. It may keep you from falling flat on your face, but it’s disrespectful with the audience, the moderator and the opponent. In comparison Biden did a much better job of giving reasonably straight answers to the questions posed, not just the ones he cherry picked to answer.

Phony, over the top folksiness: I am sorry, I don’t want to hear Palin talk about “Joe Six Pack”  in the VP debate anymore than I want to hear Obama talk about “Homeboys” in the presidential ones. It’s tacky and untoward. And, just how many “Doggone its”, You betchas”, “Heckuvas” and “Gollys” can you hear in one VP debate before you begin to feel like you are trapped in some sort of Groundhog’s Day nightmare in Beaver Cleaver Land? 
By contrast, I though Biden found a good, middlebrow tone. I think he was engaging and understandable to the average listener, without having to pretend he was sipping a beer with Ozzie &amp; Harriet.  

Feigned political naivete: It thought the “I just don’t get you Washington insiders” line was one of the real low points of the debate, not only because is was a major dodge tactic, but it was hypocritical. I think Ms. Bridge-to-Nowhere-as-long-as-Uncle-Sam-is- paying, Ms. Wasilla-Pork-Barrel-Capital-USA, Ms. Troopergate, Ms. McCain-Wants-More-Oversight-on-Wall-Street, can flip flop with the best of the beltway insiders. She sure ain’t as pure as the driven snow. Biden appeared to be much more sincere and authentic in personal style than Palin in her cardboard character innocence.

Hot air &amp; doublespeak: I heard almost nothing about what the actual platform is from Palin, other than platitudes like “cut taxes” and “clean up Washington, without a word about which or how. I definitely didn’t see even a trace of her purported “energy expertise” come through. There really was no meat in any of her remarks. I think Biden delivered considerably more substance on just about every question than Palin did.

All in all, Biden played the part of middle-of-the-raod statesman capable of advising the president, while she looked a whole lot more like, as Wheatley said, a Fox News anchor or a snarky Bush-like mouthpiece, with some spunk thrown in for kicks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It amazes me how many people felt Palin did “well” in the debate. That view must be the result of a serious lowering of expectations, not so much by her bio, but by years under the influence of dumbed-down media and politics. We expect too damn little any more.</p>
<p>Some of the things that grated on me during her performance were:</p>
<p>Dodging questions: I estimate Palin disregarded or refused to respond to about one third of the questions asked of her. Since when is saying “Let’s change the subject” considered a good debate skill?. It may keep you from falling flat on your face, but it’s disrespectful with the audience, the moderator and the opponent. In comparison Biden did a much better job of giving reasonably straight answers to the questions posed, not just the ones he cherry picked to answer.</p>
<p>Phony, over the top folksiness: I am sorry, I don’t want to hear Palin talk about “Joe Six Pack”  in the VP debate anymore than I want to hear Obama talk about “Homeboys” in the presidential ones. It’s tacky and untoward. And, just how many “Doggone its”, You betchas”, “Heckuvas” and “Gollys” can you hear in one VP debate before you begin to feel like you are trapped in some sort of Groundhog’s Day nightmare in Beaver Cleaver Land?<br />
By contrast, I though Biden found a good, middlebrow tone. I think he was engaging and understandable to the average listener, without having to pretend he was sipping a beer with Ozzie &amp; Harriet.  </p>
<p>Feigned political naivete: It thought the “I just don’t get you Washington insiders” line was one of the real low points of the debate, not only because is was a major dodge tactic, but it was hypocritical. I think Ms. Bridge-to-Nowhere-as-long-as-Uncle-Sam-is- paying, Ms. Wasilla-Pork-Barrel-Capital-USA, Ms. Troopergate, Ms. McCain-Wants-More-Oversight-on-Wall-Street, can flip flop with the best of the beltway insiders. She sure ain’t as pure as the driven snow. Biden appeared to be much more sincere and authentic in personal style than Palin in her cardboard character innocence.</p>
<p>Hot air &amp; doublespeak: I heard almost nothing about what the actual platform is from Palin, other than platitudes like “cut taxes” and “clean up Washington, without a word about which or how. I definitely didn’t see even a trace of her purported “energy expertise” come through. There really was no meat in any of her remarks. I think Biden delivered considerably more substance on just about every question than Palin did.</p>
<p>All in all, Biden played the part of middle-of-the-raod statesman capable of advising the president, while she looked a whole lot more like, as Wheatley said, a Fox News anchor or a snarky Bush-like mouthpiece, with some spunk thrown in for kicks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bentley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bentley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, Biden did extremely well.  He is polished, professional and he knows his policy inside and out.  He is capable of holding any office he wants to hold. But, nothing about him communicates change in a campaign that is extensively about change.

Sarah Palin did extremely well and she re-establish her connection after a month of withering attacks by Democrats and others.  Never before has any candidate for national office been so throughly dimished by the national media with the intent of helping another campaign -- in this case Obama.

McCain made the right pick for his campaign and it came through the screen.  Her command of the screen is so massive that she was able to gain equal footing with the excellent Biden by just being herself.  In television lingo, she would be regarded as having &quot;it&quot; -- that unknown dynamic that gives certain persons a massive public/television appeal for largely unidentifiable reasons.  

Biden and Obama should be happy that there is only one VP debate.

Palin is someone who connects with people massively.  The Democrats need to be worried about her during the next 30+ days. The campaign that is improving during the campaign&#039;s last 30 days is the favorite to win and Obama&#039;s campaign does have the slightest sense of having peaked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Biden did extremely well.  He is polished, professional and he knows his policy inside and out.  He is capable of holding any office he wants to hold. But, nothing about him communicates change in a campaign that is extensively about change.</p>
<p>Sarah Palin did extremely well and she re-establish her connection after a month of withering attacks by Democrats and others.  Never before has any candidate for national office been so throughly dimished by the national media with the intent of helping another campaign &#8212; in this case Obama.</p>
<p>McCain made the right pick for his campaign and it came through the screen.  Her command of the screen is so massive that she was able to gain equal footing with the excellent Biden by just being herself.  In television lingo, she would be regarded as having &#8220;it&#8221; &#8212; that unknown dynamic that gives certain persons a massive public/television appeal for largely unidentifiable reasons.  </p>
<p>Biden and Obama should be happy that there is only one VP debate.</p>
<p>Palin is someone who connects with people massively.  The Democrats need to be worried about her during the next 30+ days. The campaign that is improving during the campaign&#8217;s last 30 days is the favorite to win and Obama&#8217;s campaign does have the slightest sense of having peaked.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Leff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch Leff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Palin did ok, but her &quot;folksy&quot; thing seems like a performance.  I don&#039;t like that fact that they parade her little baby onstage at 11 p.m. I&#039;m tired of hearing the words &quot;maverick&quot; and &quot;hockey mom.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Palin did ok, but her &#8220;folksy&#8221; thing seems like a performance.  I don&#8217;t like that fact that they parade her little baby onstage at 11 p.m. I&#8217;m tired of hearing the words &#8220;maverick&#8221; and &#8220;hockey mom.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me take this opportunity to give a shout out to Ken Edelstein and all the good people over at Creative Loafing Atlanta...and all the 6 pack guys I played baseball with in the third grade at Oakland Elementary School in Panama City, great state of Florida...
and Ken, don&#039;t worry about things, Your reward, like all Americans, is in Heaven!

Seriously though,

I&#039;m more impressed with &quot;O&#039;Biden&#039;s&quot; ability to run the country in case of an Obama emergency,
and 
I&#039;m more more terrified of the possibility of &quot;McPalin&quot; running the country in case of a McCain
emergency.

(wink wink to that Bridge to Nowhere) ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me take this opportunity to give a shout out to Ken Edelstein and all the good people over at Creative Loafing Atlanta&#8230;and all the 6 pack guys I played baseball with in the third grade at Oakland Elementary School in Panama City, great state of Florida&#8230;<br />
and Ken, don&#8217;t worry about things, Your reward, like all Americans, is in Heaven!</p>
<p>Seriously though,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more impressed with &#8220;O&#8217;Biden&#8217;s&#8221; ability to run the country in case of an Obama emergency,<br />
and<br />
I&#8217;m more more terrified of the possibility of &#8220;McPalin&#8221; running the country in case of a McCain<br />
emergency.</p>
<p>(wink wink to that Bridge to Nowhere) ;)</p>
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