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	<title>Comments on: Atlanta tax hike: Profiles in cowardice</title>
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		<title>By: Turner</title>
		<link>http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2009/06/29/atlanta-tax-hike-profiles-in-cowardice/comment-page-1/#comment-106791</link>
		<dc:creator>Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Average Joe last I checked the 3Mil increase is going to be applied to every property owner, excuse me, every resident.

I think its funny how you see that as any different for you than it would be for me without us even comparing incomes or property values or geographic location.

Now if you compared the amount of personal income that the increase equates to I think you will find that the impact to be a little more than &#039;minimal&#039; for those who are against it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Average Joe last I checked the 3Mil increase is going to be applied to every property owner, excuse me, every resident.</p>
<p>I think its funny how you see that as any different for you than it would be for me without us even comparing incomes or property values or geographic location.</p>
<p>Now if you compared the amount of personal income that the increase equates to I think you will find that the impact to be a little more than &#8216;minimal&#8217; for those who are against it.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, AJ, you know what they say: Discretion is the better part of valor. 

Admittedly, there was an understanding among Council members that the political fallout for a pro-tax vote would certainly be more severe for those who have to run in wealthier districts, so some of those folks were effectively given a pass — as long as everyone else ponied up the necessary 8 votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, AJ, you know what they say: Discretion is the better part of valor. </p>
<p>Admittedly, there was an understanding among Council members that the political fallout for a pro-tax vote would certainly be more severe for those who have to run in wealthier districts, so some of those folks were effectively given a pass — as long as everyone else ponied up the necessary 8 votes.</p>
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		<title>By: Average Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Average Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how it seems that the only ones voting for the tax increase come from districts where the average rate hike will be minimal.  The council members who voted against the tax comprised the districts who will face the brunt of the taxes.  It is easy for the other council members to vote for tax increases that other districts will pay.  That is not the definition of political courage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how it seems that the only ones voting for the tax increase come from districts where the average rate hike will be minimal.  The council members who voted against the tax comprised the districts who will face the brunt of the taxes.  It is easy for the other council members to vote for tax increases that other districts will pay.  That is not the definition of political courage.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bingo, Scott. Well said. Or written. You know what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo, Scott. Well said. Or written. You know what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, I appreciate your empathy for Maddox. If he made worthwhile contributions to the Council between his bouts of shut-eye, I&#039;d be more inclined to cut him some slack.

But I disagree with your take on the tax vote. To me, it&#039;s an act of political courage to vote in support of the best interests of the city, even if doing so doesn&#039;t serve the best interests of the politician — whether that involves raising taxes, lowering them or holding the line.

In this case, virtually every Council member privately agreed — for right or wrong — that a tax increase was in the best interests of the city, but several of them voted against it because they were more concerned about their own best interests.

&lt;I&gt;That&#039;s&lt;/I&gt; why I called out Sleepy Jim for cowardice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, I appreciate your empathy for Maddox. If he made worthwhile contributions to the Council between his bouts of shut-eye, I&#8217;d be more inclined to cut him some slack.</p>
<p>But I disagree with your take on the tax vote. To me, it&#8217;s an act of political courage to vote in support of the best interests of the city, even if doing so doesn&#8217;t serve the best interests of the politician — whether that involves raising taxes, lowering them or holding the line.</p>
<p>In this case, virtually every Council member privately agreed — for right or wrong — that a tax increase was in the best interests of the city, but several of them voted against it because they were more concerned about their own best interests.</p>
<p><i>That&#8217;s</i> why I called out Sleepy Jim for cowardice.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, Jim dozes as a result of the medication he takes for Diabetes, so lay off that.  And the ones that voted no are the real heros, whatever their reasons.  It takes a lot of courage to stand up to the mayor.  And there were options given, but Shirl wasn&#039;t interested in them. I&#039;ve heard that 500 people have already been let go.  Yes, that is sad.  But the city still has more people on the payroll than it did in &#039;96 and I&#039;ve seen only a dimuntition in services, not an improvement.  (Kind of like the ACJ which gets smaller and smaller and costs more and more.)  Bottom line - raising taxes during a recession, especially one as big as this, is Just Plain Stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, Jim dozes as a result of the medication he takes for Diabetes, so lay off that.  And the ones that voted no are the real heros, whatever their reasons.  It takes a lot of courage to stand up to the mayor.  And there were options given, but Shirl wasn&#8217;t interested in them. I&#8217;ve heard that 500 people have already been let go.  Yes, that is sad.  But the city still has more people on the payroll than it did in &#8216;96 and I&#8217;ve seen only a dimuntition in services, not an improvement.  (Kind of like the ACJ which gets smaller and smaller and costs more and more.)  Bottom line &#8211; raising taxes during a recession, especially one as big as this, is Just Plain Stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: cityzen</title>
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		<dc:creator>cityzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey SA, please explain to us - using real city numbers - how your favorite one of the Bain report ideas would generate enough immediate cash today to pay the cops and firefighters to go back to full-time work this month.

Then explain how you are going to privatize your way out of annual pension obligations that have soared from 35 to 100mm in the past few years.

Then tell us what service business - e.g., private colleges, healthcare - operates on lower revenues today than six years ago.

Then report back on how the jobs program at City Hall is actually going.  How many employed in General Fund work in 2002 and how many employed today?

If you do all that you&#039;ll see why it&#039;s more fruitful to chase down the massive diversion of taxes that has kept Atlanta&#039;s revenue stagnant in a period of rapid growth.  That is forcing ordinary taxpayers  to cough up much more for a lower public safety service level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey SA, please explain to us &#8211; using real city numbers &#8211; how your favorite one of the Bain report ideas would generate enough immediate cash today to pay the cops and firefighters to go back to full-time work this month.</p>
<p>Then explain how you are going to privatize your way out of annual pension obligations that have soared from 35 to 100mm in the past few years.</p>
<p>Then tell us what service business &#8211; e.g., private colleges, healthcare &#8211; operates on lower revenues today than six years ago.</p>
<p>Then report back on how the jobs program at City Hall is actually going.  How many employed in General Fund work in 2002 and how many employed today?</p>
<p>If you do all that you&#8217;ll see why it&#8217;s more fruitful to chase down the massive diversion of taxes that has kept Atlanta&#8217;s revenue stagnant in a period of rapid growth.  That is forcing ordinary taxpayers  to cough up much more for a lower public safety service level.</p>
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		<title>By: SA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Political courage has nothing to do with raising taxes again on the evil wealthy people  in Buckhead.  Instead, political courage would include ending the jobs program that is city hall and implementing at least some of the points of the Bain Report: http://fctf.org/media/Bain-Report.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Political courage has nothing to do with raising taxes again on the evil wealthy people  in Buckhead.  Instead, political courage would include ending the jobs program that is city hall and implementing at least some of the points of the Bain Report: <a href="http://fctf.org/media/Bain-Report.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://fctf.org/media/Bain-Report.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Voter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maddox is so worthless and pitiful it is not even worth doing a post about him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maddox is so worthless and pitiful it is not even worth doing a post about him.</p>
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		<title>By: atlpaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>atlpaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am shocked at these allegations of yellow bellied cowardice leveled toward our distinguished Atlanta city councilors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am shocked at these allegations of yellow bellied cowardice leveled toward our distinguished Atlanta city councilors!</p>
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