The Short List - Monday, July 7
July 7, 2008 at 10:40 am by Wayne GarciaPoHo’s back from a tour of southeastern colleges, and Bardi takes a week off, so here’s the Short List a la Garcia, with Christopher Hitchens performing an homage to our favorite urban exploring writer, Alex Pickett:
- Will My Chemical Romance be opening for Obama on his stadium tour?
- The nearly permanent interim chief of the in-between-buildings Tampa Museum of Art finally steps down, on Wednesday.
- Shazam! A-Rod get’s Shaq’s divorce lawyer.
- Obama gets the Red Staters.
- Hard to believe der Mittster could piss anyone off, let alone someone as easygoing as McCain!
- LATimes down 250 jobs and 15% of its print space.
- The NYT-Fox News pissing match spills onto the pages of the Old Gray Lady.
- Norah O’Donnell has a baby girl. We have no idea why we should give a shit.
- Jackass’s Steve-O checks into a Rubber Room.
- TMZ: Who would you rather - Nadal or Federer?
July 7th, 2008 at 10:53 am
to the hijackers, associates of suicide bombers, and decapitators - I have 0 problem with any of you being waterboarded. Waterboarding is mild compared to what you cause to others. You each deserve far worse.
July 7th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Dear Reality Czech,
I don’t care if you or Justice Roberts “have 0 problem” with torture; it is illegal (and immoral).
Sincerely,
The US Constitution
July 7th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Obvious,
The Constitution applies to human beings. The aforementioned are subhuman. Ergo, waterboarding is an approrpriate and fitting response to their antics.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
that’s how the nazi’s justified their monstrous fire pits.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
So you would say that suicide bombers, decapitators, and hijackers deserve the comfort of an air conditioned cell rather than pain and suffering for their crimes?
Tell that to the families of their victims.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
are you just acting all fox news on us or r u serious?
great read to enlighten the unenlightenable:
“We Need Rules for War” by Robert S. McNamara (hehehehe, i know…so funny).
http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/2003/08/03_mcnamara_rules-for-war.htm
July 7th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
I guess I see it more as a retirbution/punishment tactic than intelligence gathering…If it’s ineffective in gathering intel, use something else.
If the dirtbag is guilty beyond all doubt - torture him and let him die a slow, painful death.
I just watch that video, and then recall images of Daniel Pearl or the families of Israelis holding their children’s body parts - and just don’t see waterboarding as that bad in comparison…
I guess I struggle with the American ideal of walking the high road, versus my desire to see them suffer as bad as the suffering they bring about.
I get this same feeling when I read about child rapists and murderers in my own country. Guys like Couey are as much animals as Al Qaeda.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
that’s fine to feel that way it’s very different to act on it.
it’s also so simple and logical it confuses the neo-cons….the person committing the atrocity/crime did not have the _right_ to inflict that type of pain on to another human being for the simple reason that NO ONE has the right to purposely inflict pain on someone else.
If you read McNamara’s article you’ll see he gets into that bind with the logic of the WWII general when he says, “If you’re going to use military force, then you ought to use overwhelming military force.” He also said: “All war is immoral, and if you let that bother you, you’re not a good soldier.”"
you don’t have the _right_ to torture people…neither does the state nor the military..or anyone.
i’m not trying to oversimplify or belittle you Reality — it’s just that straightforward.