Liveblogging debate thread open: Not bashful in Nashville
October 7, 2008 at 8:49 pm by Wayne GarciaUPDATE: We’re open for business at 8:49 pm, here just before the start and watching “The Biggest Loser.” Appropriate, huh?
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Just a reminder for you to join us tonight as we live blog our thoughts as Barack Obama and John McCain duke it out in Round 2 of the 2008 presidential debates. This one is live from Nashville.
I’ll put up an open thread just before 9 p.m. Drinking game words: middle class, economy, tax cuts, terrorists, William Ayers (double shot), Charles Keating (double shot), moose (entire bottle or full beer), every time Brokaw mumbles.
The debate setting at Belmont University in the Music City
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October 7th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
PW - you forgot Maverick
And I’d suggest a shot of something tequilla’sh if McSame winks!
How about this new vid - Brian Blair’s “cohorts” …. love it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP5BBaH1ayk
October 7th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
can we ad ‘my friends’ to the list of drinking phrases too?
i want to get totally cocked
October 7th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
For the on-drinkers or recovering alcoholics that want to play too, you can take a drink every time McCain makes eye contact with Obama. You’ll be fine.
October 7th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Meant “non-drinkers”. Damn, I hate when I mess up a joke. How Dane Cook of me.
October 7th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
logged on from TIA, on my way to NY, where they don’t fly gigantic confederate flags adjacent to major roadways. I’ll catch up here when I land.
what’s the alcohol of choice tonight, anyway, whiskey?
October 7th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Every time Brokaw mumbles?? We’ll be plastered before he finishes, “Good evening, and welcome from the Curb Event Center at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee for the second of three scheduled presidential debates between John McCain and Barack Obama.”
Drink of choice: Frangelico. Perfect for shots.
October 7th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
sal is a girl drink drunk.
jameson is preferred for something like this… so you’ll forget it all in the morning. you’ll just wake up feel dirty and used.
October 7th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
We’re open for bidness. Let’s rock and/or roll, my political friends.
October 7th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Something we will try new tonight: anyone who wants a factcheck on something somebody said log comment starting with FACTCHECK: and I will try to see if we can find something online about it that will clarify
October 7th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Ello all :)does it make me fair and balanced if from 8-830 i watched msnbc and from 830 to 9 i watched fox news?
October 7th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
obama wins the toss! he goes first!
October 7th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
don’t watch it on cnn. they’re going to have the little response meter from a group of undecided voters. that’s almost as bad as a laugh track.
October 7th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
You know Chris Matthews I think would make a good moderator…just cause he knows his stuff and catches people on it all the time.
October 7th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
I don’t know whether to watch the debate or continue watching the Louis CK standup special on Showtime on Demand. I’m gonna have a viewing party; shit is hilarious. Hopefully the debate will be funny too
October 7th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
But Eric, I hear that McCain is trying out all new material tonight, might be very very funny
October 7th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
i like the cnn tracker.
is there seriously only like 50 people in the ‘town hall’? this is nashville not wasilla
October 7th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Oberman is trying to steal “Good night and good luck” huh?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
How uncommitted do we think these uncommitted voters really are? Guess we’ll find out
October 7th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Does anyone else watch MSNBC enough that there must be some producer who refuses to put his pager on silent? And yes I said pager…I thought my Dad was the last person to use one of those….
October 7th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Made it in the nick of time!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
I count three mumbles already for Brokaw
October 7th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Brokaw is off and mumbling!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
My God, Brokaw’s gargling billiard balls
October 7th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
CNN Uncommitted voters reacting negatively to Brokaw’s suit.
Not really.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
tom gave us permission to outburst!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Dad says, “Man, Brokaw can speak.” Hm
October 7th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
brokaw already mumbled way too much.i think i’m wasted.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
They almost look like they are going to run into eachother lol
October 7th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
What is Belmont Univ.? from its website, “Belmont brings together the best of liberal arts and professional education in a Christian community of learning and service.”
October 7th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
McCain already taking notes. What the hell could he be taking notes about? The level of applause?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
i’m gonna get trashed off this debate i think
October 7th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
What’s McCain writing as soon as he sits down?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Obama wins the toss and defers, will take the second half kickoff
October 7th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
wasn’t that ross perot’s running mate??
October 7th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Since I Mrs. Palin is on the sidelines tonite, I will try to inject as much sarcasm as possible…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
FACTCHECK: The economy is in trouble?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
We are in the worst economic crisis since “The Love Guru” was released
October 7th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
lol say what you are going to DO Barack. Older ppl have shorter attention spans. Phew step one he got them back…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Tough question: No answer, C’mon Barry
October 7th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
you betcha
October 7th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
I need a golden parachute.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Ben — Mostly True. The economy is dead, so that is kinda trouble??
October 7th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
The CEO line scores huge on CNN’s voter-o-matic. Even though when he said it he was essentially avoiding the question.
More detail emerged as I was typing.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
SARCASM ALERT!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
good to be with you at a town hall meeting - a little dig from the little guy
October 7th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
FACTCHECK ANSWER: on the economy, http://www.investorwords.com/4086/recession.html
October 7th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
FACTCHECK: American’s are angry
October 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
energy again?! is that palin in old man drag?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I wonder if Obama has someone tie his ties. Immaculate. Will Mac answer the question?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Drill here and drill now! Let’s drench this place in American oil!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
McCain, right out with a dig with the “nice to be with you at a town hall meeting” zing.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
So we aren’t going to bring any money in to pay for the $850 billion dollar bill we just passed? Is Cindy paying for it?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
have they coached the audience to pretend they’re cardboard cutouts?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
my lord i can’t stand him
October 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Tax the rich! Tax the rich!! Tax the rich!!!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
My Friends!
Everyone drink.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
the walking around is creeping me out
also, this would be more enjoyable if they were wearing sombreros
October 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
just said friends where’s the vodka?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
I never said I was his friend….hmf
October 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
So its bad for the govt to be in the health care business but OK for it to be in the home finance business?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
McC just totally dissed Tom Brokaw. Oh snap!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
sombreros and crossed bandeleros
October 7th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
“not you tom.” are you joking me???
October 7th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
what if someone asks about boxers?
downside - diminished pride
upside - i get the whole bottle of tequila
October 7th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
who else thought he was going to say Will Ayers instead of Warrne Buffet?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
‘not you, tom’ - yuk yuk uncomfortable joke haha
October 7th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
That Brokaw-treasury joke flopped bad. Eric, you are free to go back to the Louis CK show
October 7th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Is McCain trying to say we can identify with him? I certainly can’t.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
apparently Wayne…apparently
October 7th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Warren Buffett in government? Could it be?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Socialized credit industries are totally cool. Socialized medicine is commie shit.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
FACTCHECK: Sal drinks girlie drinks.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Thanks for the “girl drink drunk” crack, Gabe. Isn’t there an 18-and-over show you should be at?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
“that’s something the next sector is going to have to work on” DODGE
October 7th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
FACT CHECK: Warren Buffett is very rich, and therefore must be capable of fixing the economy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Buffett
October 7th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Fact CHECK: how old is Warren Buffet?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Gabe’s over 18?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Isn’t Oliver also the head coach for the Steelers, Joe?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
“What it is?” My question exactly.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
what’s the difference between bailout and rescue?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Aggggghhhhh. Wall Street/Main Street. Shoot me!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Can oversight be added to the drinking game?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Warren Buffet supports Obama???
October 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
he thinks he’s talking to his running mate
October 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
David: perspective. haha.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Risky loans? No! Just two years ago?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
FACT CHECK: the economic crisis is all Obama’s fault…?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Alex: FACTCHECK: Warren Buffett is 78 years old.
FACTCHECK!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
McSame is blaming “Obama and his cronies” for all the bad mortgages. what a tool.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Or…. whether you are Jack or Rose…..(felt like throwing up a 1998 Titanic reference… for McCain)
October 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
FACTCHECK: Sal does drink girly drinks, http://www.frangelico.com/
October 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
factcheck - when did obama and his ‘cronies’ encourage people to take risky loans?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
I don’t think I could be front row while McCain repeats “Fannie” over and over. ha
October 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Fannie and Freddy started a forest fire?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
McCain tags Obama with being in the tank for Freddie and Fannie
October 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Notes from CNN’s Voter-matic:
The focus group likes it when you say people will get to stay in their homes.
Thank you focus group.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
oh, snap! you go john! too bad that rant made no sense to me at the end.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
‘not surprisingly’ - zing!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
if he says keating i get bingo
October 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
he won’t say keating till mccain says ayers…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
fannie mae didn’t start the fire
October 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
FACTCHECK: Obama went to Wall Street a year ago and demanded change.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
FACTCHECK: Obama never supported Fannie Mae
October 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
“Not surprisingly.”
That tone, Mr. Obama, where did that come from?
I wonder if he is going to try to provoke McCain into an outburst of some sort.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
FACTCHECK ON RISKY LOANS: well, the christian right believes it http://sierra-faith.com/index.php/2008/10/05/obama-support-for-risky-loans
October 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
McCain just went all politicking on that question and Obama actually answered it! Amazing!
FACTCHECK: My student loans are through Fannie Mae…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
go come back, plus obama keeps saying “fannie” too.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
First question winner: McCain. This one: Obama. McCain talking about “Obama’s cronies?” WTF?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Is Oliver the only black dude there?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Good question to Obama about economy getting worse, Brokaw is 100 times better than Ifill was the other night
October 7th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Oliver’s the TBG
October 7th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
I want that pad that McCain is doodling on. I bet he’s drawing Nukes going to Obama’s ONE house in Chicago.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
FACTCHECK: we have to coordinate with other countries? i thought we just took them over.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
FACTCHECK: Sal is getting plenty to be cranky about. http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/2008/10/06/the-cranky-copy-editor-%E2%80%94-october-6/
October 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Neither candidate will offer an honest answer regarding whether the economy is in the shitter, which it is, folks.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
MSNBC was saying that these guys have to admit that it’s going to get worse. Neither wants to be a depressing Drew…a Debbie Downer…a Sad Sally….a Fannie Mae…wait…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
I sense a theme emerging: “Vote for me, America, and you will get to stay in your homes.”
Christ, how bad is it out there really, that just not losing one’s home is the biggest concern of the general public?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
FACTCHECK: America’s workers are the best in the world… “most innovative”!?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Workers R Fundamental - thanks, John!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
i sincerely wish william buckley was still with us as I would like to read his thoughts about this ‘bail out’ and how everyone seems to be for it…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
“… Nukes going to Obama’s ONE house in Chicago.”
… or Iran and Russia and … and …
October 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Oh no, not section F!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
American workers are the best in the world. Exhibit A: Creative Loafing. Friday afternoon dance party, yeeeeah
October 7th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
i don’t think she’s a cynic
October 7th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Obama: “I feel your cynicism.” just doesn’t ring the same
October 7th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Kudos to Teresa Finch…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
more like a realist
October 7th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
PUT OFF BUYING A NEW CAR?!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
I agree with Obvious. Where are the True Conservatives these days?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Star of the night. Theresa Finch for president.
Southern accent + rage + funky glasses & haircut = female Foghorn Leghorn
October 7th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Obvious — you’re right, Buckley would be very interesting. he’s already whirling in his grave with what the GOP did to his beloved conservative principles, the bailout might just kill him for a second time
October 7th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Two votes for cynicism
October 7th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
News Flash! McCain campaign just replaced Sarah Palin as the veep candidate with Theresa Finch
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
go theresa! i thought after she stuttered that she was just going to say “what the fuck is wrong with all of you?!”
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Can someone give us the scoop on how the debate looks in High-def.
I live vicariously through other’s technology.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Watchdogs… where were they?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
You know what, if a real fiscal conservative was on the ballot in November she or he would win.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
I don’t think he was mocking her. being a cynic in my mind means being shrewd and not hoepfuly that either party is going to do anything different. i think he nailed it saying that and I don’t think she was offended so thats what is important.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
John McCain just did what Obama said he would.. who would’ve thunk it?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
has McCain answered the question yet????
October 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
mccain is getting up close and personal with the audience - folksy attacks - nice trick
October 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
my friends…another shot
October 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
energy independence is all he got?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
he’s so close, i smell bengay
October 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
joe — high def — not as orange as the the last debate.
i am seeing lots of perfectly cut mustaches though…
October 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
FACTCHECK: some back and forth on whether Dems are responsible for risky loans at http://fray.slate.com/discuss/forums/thread/1835420.aspx
October 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
he didn’t answer her questions.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Let me drill offshore and you can keep your jobs
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
FACTCHECK: drilling for oil will fix the economy
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
i think he is getting TO close to the audience.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Thank you Obvious.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
In what respect, Tom?
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Hi-Def
Brokaw puffy
Obama smooth
McCain old
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Every time McCain says “my friends,” a dittohead gets its wings.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Obama certainly throws in a lot of candy coated promises, like making college more affordable while talking about fixing the economy. The rhetoric is def in his favor. McCain is not speaking that great, but it’s not sprinkled with spending that he can’t do during this economic mess.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
just answer the questions claire
October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
McCain can’t remember three things at once. He’s old. See him jot down the questions.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Obama needs to step up and tick off the priorities. That “we can do all of em” was lame
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
lieberman isn’t across the aisle john, he’s on your lap
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Wind, nuclear, solar, hamsters on a wheel — all available energy sources.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
BOTH making the same mistake: don’t say what you are “gonna” do or what we “gotta” do say this is what we HAVE to do…this action is what is of utmost importance.. folksy talk dosen’t comfort me that you are getting crap done.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Factcheck Here it is about Obama and his cronies pushing bad mortgages
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/the_acorn_obama_knows.html
Sorry boys…..you asked.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
So far, I feel pretty meh about this whole thing.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
again with the energy
I’m waiting for Obama to counter the multi-billion-dollar spending charge - factcheck?