Comments on: Response from ‘The assholes at Creative Loafing’ http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/ Riffing on area trends, lineup changes, onstage spectacles and national buzz with local impact Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:50:33 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Seriously? http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/comment-page-1/#comment-505 Seriously? Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:23:54 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/#comment-505 Ok, I'm way late on the comments. But seriously? Forget all the babble about local music good or bad or what other publications are doing. The fact of the matter is that Mr. Wade was hired to do a job. Yes, he was hired by a company to do a certain job just like the rest of the community. When you work at your job you have certain responsibilities and tasks. If you do not fulfill these requirements, you are not doing a good job. What happens when you don't do a good job at your work? Can you write a small correction to the huge idiotic mistake you have made on numerous occasions and then try to write witty responses on a blog after a night of drinking and asking whichever promoter what to write about the band they didn't see? Not usually. I wanna know what CL is going to do about Wade. Regardless if you like music or like local bands or whatever the case may be, if I were an editor or publisher my main goal would to be professional and not make huge crazy stupid mistakes. Yes, mistakes do happen. But not like this. A spelling error maybe. I've seen a lot of mistakes in CL, but ehh it happens. Wade is just as clumsy as he is a well versed writer. Yes, Leilani Polk wrote Keith a letter about including shows blah blah. Great, good news. Thanks Leilani! What about this idiot doing a bad job? Doesn't he have a responsibility to you and the readers of CL. People look to this publication. Why? I'm not sure, but they do. So what myspace band story is next? What AES show is next? He can't even do those right. CL is important to the community, so lets get someone smart writing on a scene that does have hope. Wade, please resign or get your shit together. You're not helping anyone. Ok, I’m way late on the comments. But seriously? Forget all the babble about local music good or bad or what other publications are doing. The fact of the matter is that Mr. Wade was hired to do a job. Yes, he was hired by a company to do a certain job just like the rest of the community. When you work at your job you have certain responsibilities and tasks. If you do not fulfill these requirements, you are not doing a good job. What happens when you don’t do a good job at your work? Can you write a small correction to the huge idiotic mistake you have made on numerous occasions and then try to write witty responses on a blog after a night of drinking and asking whichever promoter what to write about the band they didn’t see? Not usually. I wanna know what CL is going to do about Wade. Regardless if you like music or like local bands or whatever the case may be, if I were an editor or publisher my main goal would to be professional and not make huge crazy stupid mistakes. Yes, mistakes do happen. But not like this. A spelling error maybe. I’ve seen a lot of mistakes in CL, but ehh it happens. Wade is just as clumsy as he is a well versed writer. Yes, Leilani Polk wrote Keith a letter about including shows blah blah. Great, good news. Thanks Leilani! What about this idiot doing a bad job? Doesn’t he have a responsibility to you and the readers of CL. People look to this publication. Why? I’m not sure, but they do. So what myspace band story is next? What AES show is next? He can’t even do those right. CL is important to the community, so lets get someone smart writing on a scene that does have hope. Wade, please resign or get your shit together. You’re not helping anyone.

]]> By: David Jenkins http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/comment-page-1/#comment-501 David Jenkins Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:57:59 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/#comment-501 Dude, and I thought the theater people hated on your theater critic a little harshly sometimes ... Dude, and I thought the theater people hated on your theater critic a little harshly sometimes …

]]> By: John G http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/comment-page-1/#comment-498 John G Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:04:10 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/#comment-498 I figured this was a dead horse, too, but this week's issue tied puppet string to the corpse and worked it like it thought it was Weekend at Bernie's. Dration hit some points I'd have made, so I won't rehash them, except to add that it's downright sleazy to reduce Keith Urley's message to four lines of insults yet devote half a column length to a rebuttal. For the few readers of the print issue who bother to check this blog (before this entry gets pushed off the front page) for more information, here's ALL of what Keith wrote: "You know... Creative Loafing-Weekly Planet-Creative Loafing has been a part of Tampa counter-culture for a long time. As musicians in the Bay Area, it's always been fun to pick up the paper and see someone write something nice about your band. Who doesn't want that? Over the years, there have been several good writers, or at least fans of music if not good writers, and certainly music writers who were familiar with and readily supported the local music scene (ie: Tom Roe, Robert Mortellaro, Scott Harrell to name a few). "Since the departure of Scott Harrell, there has been a noticeable decline in features on local bands or even mentioning quality shows featuring local bands in their weekly Music Menu. "It all started when 'New Granada Presents...' was told by an outside source that the bi-monthly shows at New World weren't being featured or mentioned because the information wasn't getting to the staff in time for their deadline. This is false, as a promoter, I send emails to my media group (including 3 people on the Creative Loafing staff) twice, once 2-3 weeks before a show and one more the week of the show. Then I read a (rare) featured artcle on a certain all-girl local band where the new music writer barely mentioned the music, the influences, the sounds etc. and instead decided to focus the article on the sexual preferences and speculated gender role reversal of said members. Whether true or not, this has nothing to do with the band and the attention the band was/is receiving. Last week, in a small but originally appreciative feature on Candy Bars, Creative Loafing decided to pump up the show (sort of) in the feature, then deflate the band in their online music blog (*focusing on the exiting of cellist Melissa Grady and how the band has "lost it's secret weapon"). Along with this wishy-washy music writing, the existing band members were also erroneously mis-credited in a role reversal (ie: Ryan on guitar and Daniel on drums). "I began to wonder what kind of credentials someone needs to write for a local rag and more importantly, a local rag that has a weekly music section tha used to, at least, regularly feature local bands. Why wouldn't the new person know about Candy Bars, or at least ask someone, like his editor.... Eric Snider.... someone? "Finally, today I read what may be the icing on the cake. While reading the Music Menu section I saw a write-up/preview of the Friday July 20 show at New World featuring Richard Buckner, The Six Part Seven, Zillionaire and Have Gun Will Travel. It came as a complete shock to read this: "Rhode Island post-rockers Zillionaire promise 'experimentations in soulful rock music' -- and judging by the songs they have posted online, do a fairly good job of living up to that boast." "Are you fucking kidding me?!?! We all know that with MySpace being so popular you're bound to find other bands around the nation and world with the same moniker as your own band, your friend's band, whatever. But, again we have a situation where the assholes at Creative Loafing have not done their homework, or at least did very poor homework. Yes, there's a bar-rock band in Rhode Island called Zillionaire, but what make CL think this is the band playing New World, when there are no show listings for this band and there just happens to be a local Tampa band (featuring members from other respected local bands like The Washdown, The Maccabees, Versailles, etc.) that has been around for several years and are well respected and liked by their peers. "Yes, I am in Zillionaire, I am not going to make this seem like I am writing as an outsider looking in. So, this hits home for me. I know plenty of people who say to me, "Who cares what CL has to say?". It's just a paper that in recent months has gone downhill so far, it has stopped sliding. But, it's still bothersome to continue to read again and again write-ups on local bands with misinformation, no information and downright false information. "I've been waiting a long time to say this: Fuck you Creative Loafing, you can take a shit and eat it. "Man, that makes me feel so much better. "Thanks to everyone (for real) that continues to support local music, coming out to shows at New World, Crowbar, Transitions, etc. And I'm going to give a huge "shout-out" to a certain unnamed writer at TBT for her continuing support and weekly features on local bands, local shows and the general hype on what's happening right here in our own town. That's how it should be done." I figured this was a dead horse, too, but this week’s issue tied puppet string to the corpse and worked it like it thought it was Weekend at Bernie’s.
Dration hit some points I’d have made, so I won’t rehash them, except to add that it’s downright sleazy to reduce Keith Urley’s message to four lines of insults yet devote half a column length to a rebuttal. For the few readers of the print issue who bother to check this blog (before this entry gets pushed off the front page) for more information, here’s ALL of what Keith wrote:

“You know… Creative Loafing-Weekly Planet-Creative Loafing has been a part of Tampa counter-culture for a long time. As musicians in the Bay Area, it’s always been fun to pick up the paper and see someone write something nice about your band. Who doesn’t want that? Over the years, there have been several good writers, or at least fans of music if not good writers, and certainly music writers who were familiar with and readily supported the local music scene (ie: Tom Roe, Robert Mortellaro, Scott Harrell to name a few).

“Since the departure of Scott Harrell, there has been a noticeable decline in features on local bands or even mentioning quality shows featuring local bands in their weekly Music Menu.

“It all started when ‘New Granada Presents…’ was told by an outside source that the bi-monthly shows at New World weren’t being featured or mentioned because the information wasn’t getting to the staff in time for their deadline. This is false, as a promoter, I send emails to my media group (including 3 people on the Creative Loafing staff) twice, once 2-3 weeks before a show and one more the week of the show. Then I read a (rare) featured artcle on a certain all-girl local band where the new music writer barely mentioned the music, the influences, the sounds etc. and instead decided to focus the article on the sexual preferences and speculated gender role reversal of said members. Whether true or not, this has nothing to do with the band and the attention the band was/is receiving. Last week, in a small but originally appreciative feature on Candy Bars, Creative Loafing decided to pump up the show (sort of) in the feature, then deflate the band in their online music blog (*focusing on the exiting of cellist Melissa Grady and how the band has “lost it’s secret weapon”). Along with this wishy-washy music writing, the existing band members were also erroneously mis-credited in a role reversal (ie: Ryan on guitar and Daniel on drums).

“I began to wonder what kind of credentials someone needs to write for a local rag and more importantly, a local rag that has a weekly music section tha used to, at least, regularly feature local bands. Why wouldn’t the new person know about Candy Bars, or at least ask someone, like his editor…. Eric Snider…. someone?

“Finally, today I read what may be the icing on the cake. While reading the Music Menu section I saw a write-up/preview of the Friday July 20 show at New World featuring Richard Buckner, The Six Part Seven, Zillionaire and Have Gun Will Travel. It came as a complete shock to read this:

“Rhode Island post-rockers Zillionaire promise ‘experimentations in soulful rock music’ — and judging by the songs they have posted online, do a fairly good job of living up to that boast.”

“Are you fucking kidding me?!?! We all know that with MySpace being so popular you’re bound to find other bands around the nation and world with the same moniker as your own band, your friend’s band, whatever. But, again we have a situation where the assholes at Creative Loafing have not done their homework, or at least did very poor homework. Yes, there’s a bar-rock band in Rhode Island called Zillionaire, but what make CL think this is the band playing New World, when there are no show listings for this band and there just happens to be a local Tampa band (featuring members from other respected local bands like The Washdown, The Maccabees, Versailles, etc.) that has been around for several years and are well respected and liked by their peers.

“Yes, I am in Zillionaire, I am not going to make this seem like I am writing as an outsider looking in. So, this hits home for me. I know plenty of people who say to me, “Who cares what CL has to say?”. It’s just a paper that in recent months has gone downhill so far, it has stopped sliding. But, it’s still bothersome to continue to read again and again write-ups on local bands with misinformation, no information and downright false information.

“I’ve been waiting a long time to say this:
Fuck you Creative Loafing, you can take a shit and eat it.

“Man, that makes me feel so much better.

“Thanks to everyone (for real) that continues to support local music, coming out to shows at New World, Crowbar, Transitions, etc.
And I’m going to give a huge “shout-out” to a certain unnamed writer at TBT for her continuing support and weekly features on local bands, local shows and the general hype on what’s happening right here in our own town. That’s how it should be done.”

]]> By: dration http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/comment-page-1/#comment-497 dration Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:07:46 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/#comment-497 I've got 2 cents and at the same time maybe no sense at all but regardless, I've looked all over this site and I honestly can't find a full copy of the email that Mr. Ulrey sent Weakly Loafing. Where is it? Can someone provide the url? Yeah, I've found the excerpts from this email scattered about here and there but where's the whole thing? I did find a copy of said email that appears @ http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=19418744&blogID=289627821 , but that isn't on this site. I'd appreciate knowing it's location on the WL site just so I can read it in full. Maybe it isn't on this site at all, if that's the case, good job Weakly! Anyways, I really did a double-take when I first read this gig-listing last week. I thought it was a strange coincidence that another Zillionaire was going to be playing in Tampa, at NWB too, no less, but what I found even stranger was the absence of a line in the listing that went something like this - "This band isn't the band of the same name from right here in Tampa.". I expected to see something like that in the listing because, well, there is a band from Tampa called Zillionaire, they do play out semi-frequently, people (apparently not all people) know who they are and who wouldn't be even a little bit dissipointed to go to a show expecting to see one band only to end up paying to see another one with the same name. "Our goal is to offer readers thoughtful criticism that will both steer potential concertgoers in the right direction," - no goal scored on this count. Granted, "Fuck you Creative Loafing, you can take a shit and eat it.", might not be the politest way to express how someone feels about all this but I don't think it's uncalled for either because it was such a sloppy goof-up. Try using the seach feature on this website with "zillionaire" in the input box, I did. What did I get, uhhh, I got a bunch of listings and short blurbs all about the Tampa band Zillionaire, each of those listings came from (pre-Wade) issues of this publication but still, they're all found here and without corrections so they must be accurate to some degree, right? Lastly (because I've surely wasted enough time on this already), I never thought that I'd give props to the *tbt but I think they deserve some kind of recognition for the "100 bands from the Tampa area" extended feature that they had a couple of months ago, first time I'd ever seen anything of that scope in a local publication and it was probably one of the best "gifts" to local musicians and local music fans alike, it made the whole "10 chicks that rock" (don't get me started on that mess, please) issue of this publication pale in comparison. Chickenbutt! I’ve got 2 cents and at the same time maybe no sense at all but regardless, I’ve looked all over this site and I honestly can’t find a full copy of the email that Mr. Ulrey sent Weakly Loafing. Where is it? Can someone provide the url? Yeah, I’ve found the excerpts from this email scattered about here and there but where’s the whole thing? I did find a copy of said email that appears @ http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=19418744&blogID=289627821
, but that isn’t on this site. I’d appreciate knowing it’s location on the WL site just so I can read it in full. Maybe it isn’t on this site at all, if that’s the case, good job Weakly! Anyways, I really did a double-take when I first read this gig-listing last week. I thought it was a strange coincidence that another Zillionaire was going to be playing in Tampa, at NWB too, no less, but what I found even stranger was the absence of a line in the listing that went something like this – “This band isn’t the band of the same name from right here in Tampa.”. I expected to see something like that in the listing because, well, there is a band from Tampa called Zillionaire, they do play out semi-frequently, people (apparently not all people) know who they are and who wouldn’t be even a little bit dissipointed to go to a show expecting to see one band only to end up paying to see another one with the same name. “Our goal is to offer readers thoughtful criticism that will both steer potential concertgoers in the right direction,” – no goal scored on this count. Granted, “Fuck you Creative Loafing, you can take a shit and eat it.”, might not be the politest way to express how someone feels about all this but I don’t think it’s uncalled for either because it was such a sloppy goof-up. Try using the seach feature on this website with “zillionaire” in the input box, I did. What did I get, uhhh, I got a bunch of listings and short blurbs all about the Tampa band Zillionaire, each of those listings came from (pre-Wade) issues of this publication but still, they’re all found here and without corrections so they must be accurate to some degree, right? Lastly (because I’ve surely wasted enough time on this already), I never thought that I’d give props to the *tbt but I think they deserve some kind of recognition for the “100 bands from the Tampa area” extended feature that they had a couple of months ago, first time I’d ever seen anything of that scope in a local publication and it was probably one of the best “gifts” to local musicians and local music fans alike, it made the whole “10 chicks that rock” (don’t get me started on that mess, please) issue of this publication pale in comparison. Chickenbutt!

]]> By: dcdave http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/comment-page-1/#comment-495 dcdave Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:54:40 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/#comment-495 what drama. i almost made it to the end of the post.... the comments/wankfest are almost as bad as the original tit-for-tat whining blog post. write what you know, keep it real, and stop bitching. what drama. i almost made it to the end of the post…. the comments/wankfest are almost as bad as the original tit-for-tat whining blog post. write what you know, keep it real, and stop bitching.

]]> By: Joanna http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/comment-page-1/#comment-494 Joanna Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:29:34 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/#comment-494 Thanks for opening up CL, TBT and REAX and making sure we could all read. Thanks for opening up CL, TBT and REAX and making sure we could all read.

]]> By: Kristen http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/comment-page-1/#comment-491 Kristen Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:59:42 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/#comment-491 omg so is it just me, or was that the most shameless advertisement ever? nice sticking your own band in there. you're not biased at all. omg so is it just me, or was that the most shameless advertisement ever? nice sticking your own band in there. you’re not biased at all.

]]> By: K http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/comment-page-1/#comment-490 K Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:48:59 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/#comment-490 Just for the record. And I will say ahead of time that everything is subjective. But to make a blanket statement that the Tampa music scene is lacking with no good bands.... that's not true. You may be a fan of certain bands or certain kinds of music and one may have the opinion not to enjoy a band or think they downright suck. But, there are plenty of good, hardworking (and most importantly on the local level, respected) bands in the Tampa area: Auto!Automatic!! Red Room Cinema Candy Bars The Diviners Zillionaire Giddy Up! Helicopter Jarvik7 Life of Pi Win Win Winter New Bruises Just to name a few, very eclectic selection i know. Just for the record. And I will say ahead of time that everything is subjective. But to make a blanket statement that the Tampa music scene is lacking with no good bands…. that’s not true. You may be a fan of certain bands or certain kinds of music and one may have the opinion not to enjoy a band or think they downright suck. But, there are plenty of good, hardworking (and most importantly on the local level, respected) bands in the Tampa area:

Auto!Automatic!!
Red Room Cinema
Candy Bars
The Diviners
Zillionaire
Giddy Up! Helicopter
Jarvik7
Life of Pi
Win Win Winter
New Bruises

Just to name a few, very eclectic selection i know.

]]> By: matthew bowman http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/comment-page-1/#comment-487 matthew bowman Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:48:50 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/#comment-487 it's funny how john g. brings up some pretty valid(and well written)points about this blog in general, and yet it just gets answered by snarky comments and half witted remarks about the local scene.lord forbid anyone actually engages in an intelligent conversation about the said subject. complain all you want about this scene, and how the local music sucks and so forth and so forth.but, i will say this...there is a lot of amazing musicians in this town.a lot of daring musicians.(who use effects, hide behind effects and whatever.sounds good.who cares.)they may not have all the tools(ala, songwriting, performance, etc.etc.)but that's not really the point of making music anyways.they get up there and play for many appreciative people in tampa who actually give a damn about local(and all.)music.people who want to see the next thing, or just some friends doing what they love.no need to jump off speakers and/or write the perfect love song to make their point musically.it's just music.i could really care less if someone stares at their shoes while singing slightly off key or does the whole rock star thing, and pretends he really means it while doing his rock star kicks.if it moves people, including myself, than it's fucking great. all this bitching just sounds petty and jealous. pick up a guitar.write a song.start a band.get back to me. most of the critics can't.they would rather bitch about someone else's art than do any of their own. go to shows.if you don't like it, that's your deal.no big whoop.each or his/her own.if you do, yay.awesome.just leave the disdain and negative "i'm better than this" attitude alone. it’s funny how john g. brings up some pretty valid(and well written)points about this blog in general, and yet it just gets answered by snarky comments and half witted remarks about the local scene.lord forbid anyone actually engages in an intelligent conversation about the said subject.

complain all you want about this scene, and how the local music sucks and so forth and so forth.but, i will say this…there is a lot of amazing musicians in this town.a lot of daring musicians.(who use effects, hide behind effects and whatever.sounds good.who cares.)they may not have all the tools(ala, songwriting, performance, etc.etc.)but that’s not really the point of making music anyways.they get up there and play for many appreciative people in tampa who actually give a damn about local(and all.)music.people who want to see the next thing, or just some friends doing what they love.no need to jump off speakers and/or write the perfect love song to make their point musically.it’s just music.i could really care less if someone stares at their shoes while singing slightly off key or does the whole rock star thing, and pretends he really means it while doing his rock star kicks.if it moves people, including myself, than it’s fucking great.

all this bitching just sounds petty and jealous.
pick up a guitar.write a song.start a band.get back to me.
most of the critics can’t.they would rather bitch about someone else’s art than do any of their own.

go to shows.if you don’t like it, that’s your deal.no big whoop.each or his/her own.if you do, yay.awesome.just leave the disdain and negative “i’m better than this” attitude alone.

]]> By: Jerry http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/comment-page-1/#comment-485 Jerry Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:54:42 +0000 http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2007/07/20/response-from-the-assholes-at-creative-loafing/#comment-485 Why do you people care? just sell your computers, buy your heroin and go about your rock and roll lives "Oh, it doesn't matter what they say in the papers `Cause it's always been the same old scene. There's a new band in town. But you can't get the sound from a story in a magazine... Aimed at your average teen." - Billy Joel Why do you people care? just sell your computers, buy your heroin and go about your rock and roll lives

“Oh, it doesn’t matter what they say in the papers
`Cause it’s always been the same old scene.
There’s a new band in town.
But you can’t get the sound from a story in a magazine…
Aimed at your average teen.”

- Billy Joel

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