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		<title>By: Doobie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2008/04/22/greatest-rock-band-of-past-20-years/comment-page-1/#comment-20513</link>
		<dc:creator>Doobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 07:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, no Stone Temple Pilots?</description>
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		<title>By: Wade Tatangelo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade Tatangelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well-spoken, Sal. To be honest, Oasis was one of the last bands to make my final list of 25, which started with about 60. After reading your latest comment, I&#039;m glad I included them. (By the way, I didn&#039;t discuss my list with Sal before publishing it. Or if I discussed it in front of him with others in the office, he didn&#039;t say anything. Mr. Salveggi&#039;s good about not voicing his expert opinion until after he gets done making my finished copy sound literate.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well-spoken, Sal. To be honest, Oasis was one of the last bands to make my final list of 25, which started with about 60. After reading your latest comment, I&#8217;m glad I included them. (By the way, I didn&#8217;t discuss my list with Sal before publishing it. Or if I discussed it in front of him with others in the office, he didn&#8217;t say anything. Mr. Salveggi&#8217;s good about not voicing his expert opinion until after he gets done making my finished copy sound literate.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2008/04/22/greatest-rock-band-of-past-20-years/comment-page-1/#comment-20158</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the misgivings I had when Wade introduced this list as a topic was his (intentional or not) seemingly interchangeable use of &quot;most important band&quot; with &quot;greatest band,&quot; two terms that I don&#039;t think would necessarily yield the same results.

To use a film analogy, Citizen Kane is often referred to as the &quot;greatest film&quot; of all time, one of the reasons being its influence on cinema. But while I&#039;m willing to accept an argument that claims Citizen Kane is the most important movie in cinema history because of its innovative storytelling and cinematic techniques, I don&#039;t think I would call it the greatest film (perhaps because I wouldn&#039;t weight its influence on the future of cinema as highly as others might, assuming that was one of the criteria.)

But based on my reading of Wade&#039;s article on this subject (which will appear in this Wednesday&#039;s print and online version of Creative Loafing) it&#039;s clear that &quot;most important band&quot; is what he was after, and he articulates the criteria on which he&#039;s basing his decision: listenabilty, innovativeness, influence and live prowess. 

I haven&#039;t listened to enough of the bands on Wade&#039;s list to offer an opinion, but I have to take issue with the commenters who are quick to dismiss Oasis from the running on the basis that they are, to quote one commenter, &quot;as far from original as you can get.&quot; 

It&#039;s true that Oasis has proudly and loudly cited the Beatles as a chief influence, and a number of their songs (&quot;She&#039;s Electric,&quot; &quot;Wonderwall,&quot; and &quot;Don&#039;t Look Back in Anger&quot; recall specific Beatles or solo-Beatles tunes, e.g., &quot;With a Little Help From My Friends,&quot; &quot;Imagine.&quot;

But I think that criticism sells short what Oasis accomplished. Countless bands have worn the adjective &quot;Beatlesque&quot; over the years, but few have been able to live up to their legacy. That Oasis was able to produce driving, melodic songs with strong hooks and elliptical lyrics that linger as more than just ear candy was no small feat. Rather than try to defend them in my own words, allow me to pull an Oasis and quote Stephen Thomas Erlewine, All Music Guide&#039;s senior editor, in this intro to his allmusic.com bio on the band:

&quot;Oasis shot from obscurity to stardom in 1994, becoming one of Britain&#039;s most popular and critically acclaimed bands of the decade. ... they are responsible for returning British guitar pop to the top of the charts. ... the Manchester quintet adopts the rough, thuggish image of the Stones and the Who, crosses it with &quot;Beatlesque&quot; melodies and hooks, distinctly British lyrical themes and song structures like the Jam and the Kinks, and ties it all together with a massive, loud guitar roar, as well as a defiant sneer that draws equally from the Sex Pistols&#039; rebelliousness and the Stone Roses&#039; cocksure arrogance. Gallagher&#039;s songs frequently rework previous hits ... yet the group always puts the hooks in different settings, updating past hits for a new era.&quot;

So is Oasis&#039; clear indebtedness to their British forefathers so easy to dismiss as nothing more than egregious pilfering, or can we at least acknowledge that, much like Bob Dylan, Oasis&#039; Liam Gallagher had the good sense to steal from the best while crafting a huge pop sound. He&#039;s no Dylan, to be sure, but within the pop/rock context, he doesn&#039;t need to be. Again, this from Erlewine: 

&quot;This is where his genius lies: He&#039;s a thief and doesn&#039;t have many original thoughts, but as a pop/rock melodicist he&#039;s pretty much without peer. Likewise, as musicians, Oasis are hardly innovators, yet they have a majestic grandeur in their sound that makes ballads like &quot;Wonderwall&quot; or rockers like &quot;Some Might Say&quot; positively transcendent.&quot;

I&#039;m not ready to sell Oasis short on being innovators, but I suppose that depends on how you value their ability to meld the disparate styles of their progenitors. Perhaps they can be held somewhat responsible for the rise of guitar-oriented rock since they arrived on the scene in the mid-90s. But above all, I do think they&#039;re a compulsively listenable, great rock &#039;n&#039; roll band, and their inclusion on Wade&#039;s list is no embarrassment to it or the other, more esteemed groups included therein.

On a side note, I have to respectfully disagree with Joe&#039;s statement that Wade might have left Phish off the list in order to not offend the &quot;cool kids&quot; of rock criticism. In light of our stereotypically lefty CL readership, I think putting Phish on would have been the obviously hip move. That is, if Wade cared about being hip, which I&#039;m pretty  sure he doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the misgivings I had when Wade introduced this list as a topic was his (intentional or not) seemingly interchangeable use of &#8220;most important band&#8221; with &#8220;greatest band,&#8221; two terms that I don&#8217;t think would necessarily yield the same results.</p>
<p>To use a film analogy, Citizen Kane is often referred to as the &#8220;greatest film&#8221; of all time, one of the reasons being its influence on cinema. But while I&#8217;m willing to accept an argument that claims Citizen Kane is the most important movie in cinema history because of its innovative storytelling and cinematic techniques, I don&#8217;t think I would call it the greatest film (perhaps because I wouldn&#8217;t weight its influence on the future of cinema as highly as others might, assuming that was one of the criteria.)</p>
<p>But based on my reading of Wade&#8217;s article on this subject (which will appear in this Wednesday&#8217;s print and online version of Creative Loafing) it&#8217;s clear that &#8220;most important band&#8221; is what he was after, and he articulates the criteria on which he&#8217;s basing his decision: listenabilty, innovativeness, influence and live prowess. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t listened to enough of the bands on Wade&#8217;s list to offer an opinion, but I have to take issue with the commenters who are quick to dismiss Oasis from the running on the basis that they are, to quote one commenter, &#8220;as far from original as you can get.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that Oasis has proudly and loudly cited the Beatles as a chief influence, and a number of their songs (&#8221;She&#8217;s Electric,&#8221; &#8220;Wonderwall,&#8221; and &#8220;Don&#8217;t Look Back in Anger&#8221; recall specific Beatles or solo-Beatles tunes, e.g., &#8220;With a Little Help From My Friends,&#8221; &#8220;Imagine.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I think that criticism sells short what Oasis accomplished. Countless bands have worn the adjective &#8220;Beatlesque&#8221; over the years, but few have been able to live up to their legacy. That Oasis was able to produce driving, melodic songs with strong hooks and elliptical lyrics that linger as more than just ear candy was no small feat. Rather than try to defend them in my own words, allow me to pull an Oasis and quote Stephen Thomas Erlewine, All Music Guide&#8217;s senior editor, in this intro to his allmusic.com bio on the band:</p>
<p>&#8220;Oasis shot from obscurity to stardom in 1994, becoming one of Britain&#8217;s most popular and critically acclaimed bands of the decade. &#8230; they are responsible for returning British guitar pop to the top of the charts. &#8230; the Manchester quintet adopts the rough, thuggish image of the Stones and the Who, crosses it with &#8220;Beatlesque&#8221; melodies and hooks, distinctly British lyrical themes and song structures like the Jam and the Kinks, and ties it all together with a massive, loud guitar roar, as well as a defiant sneer that draws equally from the Sex Pistols&#8217; rebelliousness and the Stone Roses&#8217; cocksure arrogance. Gallagher&#8217;s songs frequently rework previous hits &#8230; yet the group always puts the hooks in different settings, updating past hits for a new era.&#8221;</p>
<p>So is Oasis&#8217; clear indebtedness to their British forefathers so easy to dismiss as nothing more than egregious pilfering, or can we at least acknowledge that, much like Bob Dylan, Oasis&#8217; Liam Gallagher had the good sense to steal from the best while crafting a huge pop sound. He&#8217;s no Dylan, to be sure, but within the pop/rock context, he doesn&#8217;t need to be. Again, this from Erlewine: </p>
<p>&#8220;This is where his genius lies: He&#8217;s a thief and doesn&#8217;t have many original thoughts, but as a pop/rock melodicist he&#8217;s pretty much without peer. Likewise, as musicians, Oasis are hardly innovators, yet they have a majestic grandeur in their sound that makes ballads like &#8220;Wonderwall&#8221; or rockers like &#8220;Some Might Say&#8221; positively transcendent.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not ready to sell Oasis short on being innovators, but I suppose that depends on how you value their ability to meld the disparate styles of their progenitors. Perhaps they can be held somewhat responsible for the rise of guitar-oriented rock since they arrived on the scene in the mid-90s. But above all, I do think they&#8217;re a compulsively listenable, great rock &#8216;n&#8217; roll band, and their inclusion on Wade&#8217;s list is no embarrassment to it or the other, more esteemed groups included therein.</p>
<p>On a side note, I have to respectfully disagree with Joe&#8217;s statement that Wade might have left Phish off the list in order to not offend the &#8220;cool kids&#8221; of rock criticism. In light of our stereotypically lefty CL readership, I think putting Phish on would have been the obviously hip move. That is, if Wade cared about being hip, which I&#8217;m pretty  sure he doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade Tatangelo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade Tatangelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phish&#039;s first full-length, &quot;Junta,&quot; came out in 1988 so the band did make the timeline cutoff, just not my final list of &quot;[25] most important rock band[s] to release its debut album in the past 20 years.&quot; R.E.M.&#039;s debut disc, &quot;Murmur,&quot; came out in &#039;83 or else they would have made my list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phish&#8217;s first full-length, &#8220;Junta,&#8221; came out in 1988 so the band did make the timeline cutoff, just not my final list of &#8220;[25] most important rock band[s] to release its debut album in the past 20 years.&#8221; R.E.M.&#8217;s debut disc, &#8220;Murmur,&#8221; came out in &#8216;83 or else they would have made my list.</p>
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		<title>By: JIm</title>
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		<dc:creator>JIm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Phish doesn&#039;t belong there because the Dead and the Allmans did the jam band thing in the 60&#039;s, then Modest Mouse doesn&#039;t belong on there because Pavement was an obvious influence on their style and Green Day had the whole punk thing of the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s that did theirs.  Several of the other bands had The Velvet Underground to thank... the list goes on.  What Phish did was quite original.  What Oasis did was about as far from original as you can get.  I assume the 20 year cut off means formed after 1988?  If that&#039;s the case, Phish didn&#039;t make the cutoff.  If that&#039;s not the case, REM should be on there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Phish doesn&#8217;t belong there because the Dead and the Allmans did the jam band thing in the 60&#8217;s, then Modest Mouse doesn&#8217;t belong on there because Pavement was an obvious influence on their style and Green Day had the whole punk thing of the 70&#8217;s and 80&#8217;s that did theirs.  Several of the other bands had The Velvet Underground to thank&#8230; the list goes on.  What Phish did was quite original.  What Oasis did was about as far from original as you can get.  I assume the 20 year cut off means formed after 1988?  If that&#8217;s the case, Phish didn&#8217;t make the cutoff.  If that&#8217;s not the case, REM should be on there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/tampacalling/2008/04/22/greatest-rock-band-of-past-20-years/comment-page-1/#comment-19975</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 17:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trey Anastasio can go and gargle the Gallagher Bros. balls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trey Anastasio can go and gargle the Gallagher Bros. balls.</p>
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		<title>By: Franki Weddington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franki Weddington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Luc, maybe it&#039;s not the most groundbreaking stuff of all time, but let&#039;s not go ripping on Weezer.  
I think they have some of the best pop sounds around, and Pinkerton 
is, in my opinion, one of the better introspective, dark-but-happy records out there. Also by far their best effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Luc, maybe it&#8217;s not the most groundbreaking stuff of all time, but let&#8217;s not go ripping on Weezer.<br />
I think they have some of the best pop sounds around, and Pinkerton<br />
is, in my opinion, one of the better introspective, dark-but-happy records out there. Also by far their best effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arcade Fire

The Violent Femmes

The White Stripes 

Arcade Fire</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arcade Fire</p>
<p>The Violent Femmes</p>
<p>The White Stripes </p>
<p>Arcade Fire</p>
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		<title>By: Luc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Green Day? RATM?! Weezer?!! Oasis?!!!!! You&#039;ve got to be flipping kidding. This list stinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Green Day? RATM?! Weezer?!! Oasis?!!!!! You&#8217;ve got to be flipping kidding. This list stinks.</p>
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		<title>By: David Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, Joe.

I also agree that the Unplugged album by Nirvana is the best thing they ever put out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, Joe.</p>
<p>I also agree that the Unplugged album by Nirvana is the best thing they ever put out.</p>
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